Feeling the Woo Woo

Kathy and Michelle talk about interesting synchronicities and multidimensional experiences they’ve had throughout their lifetimes. From synchronistic dreams and strange repeating numbers, they share thoughts about being spiritual beings having a human experience.

Episode Transcript

[00:00:01] Speaker A: Start your week smiling with your friends. Kathy Zant and Michelle Frechette. It’s time to get ready for some weekly motivation with WP Motivate.

Happy Thursday, Kathy.

[00:00:16] Speaker B: Happy Thursday, Michelle. How are you doing?

[00:00:19] Speaker A: I’m doing okay. We’ve been talking a little beforehand, and I’m like, this will be the episode that make people say, oh, my God, I love those women, or, they are batshit crazy.

I don’t think there’s any in between.

[00:00:35] Speaker B: And you know what?

[00:00:36] Speaker A: I was gonna say, I’m fine with it either way.

[00:00:39] Speaker B: Yeah, me too. I don’t care. You want to call me batshit insane? That’s like the least. The least of my problems. Go right ahead.

[00:00:47] Speaker A: Yeah.

There is so much more to the universe than what our mere minds can comprehend. 100% right. But I also think that we are clued into some of that. I think maybe it’s innate in our DNA from the dawning of time. Just like, we wake up or we’re born, we wake up, and I guess we do wake up. We’re born and we know how to breathe. We take those breaths. Our bodies know how to move. They just do, right? At some point, we pull ourselves up and stand up. We take our first steps. We learn language from the people around us.

That isn’t something that has to be programmed into us. It isn’t something. It’s. It’s just how we interface with our reality, our world, our universe, whatever you want to call it.

How much more is in there that we don’t even know is in there?

It’s crazy, right? I love it.

[00:01:47] Speaker B: Or how much. How much more is out there that we tap into. Yeah, I had this for this. So we’re going to call this the Woo episode or something of that nature.

[00:02:00] Speaker A: And not woocommerce, like woo woo.

[00:02:02] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, they rebranded. What is with all this rebranding? Convertkit is now kit.

Woocommerce went back to Woocommerce. I never went with the woo. I mean, I love the woo. You know, I do. But it was always still Luke. I just wasn’t gonna let go of that. But I still call it eye themes.

[00:02:20] Speaker A: I know, I know.

[00:02:22] Speaker B: Sometimes it’s solid.

So, yeah, rebranding is a hard thing, but that’s another episode.

[00:02:30] Speaker A: That’s a different episode.

[00:02:31] Speaker B: Although this might be a rebranding of me because I’m like, you know, I want to talk. I want. Since, I mean, I was up in Mount Shasta, it is a very woo woo place.

I had a friend there who would say the crystal swingers, they’re the people who grow up and they’re kind of like more normies. And then there’s a whole, like, you know, group of christian people, and then there’s the crystal swingers that they would call them, and they would come from everywhere else. Right. But I was like, I’m there. Well, I went to Mount Shiesta because first of all, I felt like it was a place. I heard. I was walking down the street in Mount Shasta. We were there on vacation, and I heard very clearly, you can take care of yourself here, and you can take better care of your family here if you can take care of yourself better here. And I did. I mean, I, I learned how to take better care of myself there. So, I mean, that’s exactly what happened. Um, but that place has been always a place where my intuition has been just wide open. But it’s not like I need that place because I can do that here. And I’ve had some really weird experiences lately, and I’m kind of like, I don’t want to, you know, I went into, back into tech going, I’m being the face of brands and WordPress, and I kind of like, left my spiritual experiences, you know, on the back burner or I didn’t talk about them, or I didn’t. I pretended that wasn’t a part of who I am. And I’m kind of like, just in the last week I’ve been, or a couple weeks, I don’t want to hide that part of me. I’m woo. I am very woo. Hi, nice to meet you.

[00:04:06] Speaker A: Leading into your woo. Lead into your woo. Kathy.

[00:04:10] Speaker B: I’m leaning into it because guess what? It’s really cool and it’s really fun and it surprises me and it makes my life feel more magical and I want more of it. Till there.

[00:04:19] Speaker A: Yep. Absolutely. I read a book, okay, it’s a fiction book, but it taught me. I mean, fiction can teach you things too, right? I read a book called the Lost Symbol by Dan Brown. Same one who wrote the Da Vinci Code and others. And in it they talk about noetic sciences, which is the collective conscience and the power of positive thinking. And, you know, that, that you could manifest things in your life by attraction, laws of attraction, things like that. And I had never heard, I think that I read that before, like the secret and all of that came out about those same kinds of concepts. And I remember reading that going, yeah, that makes sense. It makes sense that you can attract things. And some people will say, well, you attract them because you put intention. Now you’re thinking about it. So you have intentional. But. And that might be part of it. It could be, but I also think that there’s just this opening of your mind that allows things to maybe recognize things, you to recognize things in your world and things like that. So I don’t know. I think. I think there’s a lot to it, and I think that people who only look at the world in binary code, black and white, all of those things, are limiting themselves, perhaps there’s definitely.

[00:05:37] Speaker B: Well, one of the things I liked about coding is because it is sort of a balancing of science and creativity, because there is, you know, there’s loops and there’s logic and there, there’s structure and there’s rules. But you don’t write amazing code or create amazing new products unless you have some creativity. And I think that in my experience, giving your conscious mind, I mean, we have two sides of our mind. One is more creative and one is more technical. And when you give your technical mind something to do some math, you know, accounting, some structure, it’s really good at taking its attention off of trying to solve all of the problems and like, oh, well, here’s, you know, actual math. I can do all of these things, and then it just kind of allows more creativity to flow. At least that’s been my experience. And so when I taught myself, like, how to read a story, astrology charts, because I was like, I don’t trust what these people are saying. I want to know. I want to know what this all means. And it’s all geometry. It’s like numbers and angles and all of this. So there’s a science associated with it, but there’s also this intuitive. So I think, you know, you have to have the balance of both. You can’t have innovation. Innovation doesn’t come necessarily from science. It comes from creativity.

I’ve read stories of, like, people who write music or people JK Rowling, how she basically just, like, really got to know these characters, almost immersed herself in a different world in order to create, like, Harry Potter and these stories. And it almost feels like tapping into another realm. And I think that there are other realms. Although when I moved to Mount Shasta, everybody told me that there was a city, like, under Mount Shasta, and there’s Bigfoot, you know, and aliens. And I’m like, bring it.

[00:07:29] Speaker A: Okay, okay.

[00:07:30] Speaker B: Maybe people would say, well, you’re just not open to it. Because I’m like, I know I don’t see any Bigfoots.

[00:07:35] Speaker A: I.

[00:07:35] Speaker B: There’s a bear in my backyard. But I don’t see any Bigfoots. I want to see a bigfoot. I heard stories of bigfoots. I want to see the magical city under Mount Shad. Under the mountain. Yeah. I heard people telling me stories, but I never saw anything. I never, like, walked through the forest, and St. Germain came out and said, hey, what’s up, chicky? Like, stuff happened for me, but I did have magical experiences on my own. I mean, like, I could go into the forest and, like, really hear my own intuition. Maybe that’s all I needed. Wow.

[00:08:05] Speaker A: Could be. Yeah. Interesting. But you were saying before we started recording how numbers even will appear in interesting ways to kind of, I don’t.

[00:08:18] Speaker B: Know what the word affirm happening to me, so. Okay, so long time ago, I wanted an Audi, and so I was playing this manifestation game. This was like, way before the secret. This was like, gosh. Well, the Audi was a year 2000 audi. So I was young. I was working building websites, taking the train downtown Chicago. And so I’d play this game. I’d close my eyes, and I’d imagine Audis, and I’d open my eyes and try to, like, see if there was an Audi out the window of the train, right? And then, you know, I’d stop through the west side of Chicago. I’m like, yeah, not going to happen here, right.

But then I get downtown, and I get off the train, and I walk out, and there’s this car. And it had Virginia license plates, which were very different than Illinois plates. And the license plate was 8888. Well, it looked just like an Audi. You know, the circles. Yeah. And so it was like, and I just felt like that was the joke, right? The eights were the joke. It was the joke. It was like, I’m trying to play this game, and then it’s like, ha ha ha. Well, you better pay attention because that, what are you, what are you doing? Yeah, that kind of stuff would happen to me. So I’ve always kind of, like, had this feeling of, like, numbers as a way of, like, spirit playing games with me.

And so I live in a fairly rural area, walking by my neighbor’s house, and they had come by and, you know, the kids are selling chocolate for school. I’m like, yeah, okay, whatever. So I bought three bars for $9, and I gave him a ten, and he didn’t give me a dollar back. And the daughter was trying to interrupt him. He’s talking about, you know, neighbor stuff, and the daughter was trying to tell him, hey, give her a dollar, right? And it never happened. And I’m like, okay, whatever. And so then I’ve been walking by their house, and it’s been like, oh, well, there’s the dollar family.

[00:10:07] Speaker A: They got a new.

[00:10:09] Speaker B: I walk by their house and there’s a dollar on the ground, and I look around and there’s nobody around. And I pick it up, and it’s 8888 on the serial number.

[00:10:20] Speaker A: No way.

[00:10:22] Speaker B: Like, that’s weird. Okay, well, I guess this is spirit’s way of saying, here’s your dollar back. Yeah.

[00:10:28] Speaker A: Not your Audi?

[00:10:30] Speaker B: Not my Audi, no. But it’s like their way of playing with me. Of like, if you’re going to account for this, okay, here’s your dollar back.

And then last week I was driving. Well, Sunday. Was it Sunday, Sunday or Monday? No, Sunday. And I was driving, and I was behind, you know, I was in the center lane, there were three cars in front of me. And I’m listening to a podcast, and the guy’s talking about balance, and I look over at the license plate numbers, and I typically am not looking for numbers, but it’s 111-2233 and I’m just like, what is going on? And then last night, I’m driving, dropping Claire off again somewhere, and my friend from Mount Shasta calls me and I’m telling him, like, something’s going on, man. Something is good because he’s one of the people that just understands my weirdness. And the car in front of me has a 777, and I’m like, like, zero seven seven. And I’m just like, what is going on? Yeah, what is going. I don’t know what’s going on, but I feel like this reality. Well, people say the reality that you live in is a reflection of you. So if you are going through an experience that is any kind of experience, it is a reflection of you. You are. And I just heard the story of this guy who, like, he was telling the story of how he went on a date with a woman, and he’s like, well, pay for it. You can just leave the tip. And she got so mad at him. Like, she’s like, I never want to go on a date with you again. Like, you either pay or you don’t, right? And he’s like, I never do that. But she had experiences with previous boyfriends that were like, leave the tip. Leave the tip. And she. It was like her trigger. And he had never done that before with a woman. And she pulled it out of me because I don’t do that. But I just did that, you know, for some reason, I felt like she wanted to. And, like, I just, I think we pull things out of each other or the experiences we have of this reality are reflections back of the things that we need to heal on.

Like, it’s not my. I’ve had a lot of crap go on in my life over the past few years and it’s like, it’s a little overwhelming sometimes. And I think my big lesson is like, take responsibility for everything that happens in your life. Which kind of goes back to the stuff my husband used to teach about was Hobopo Ponapono.

And he was, you know, friends with the guy who, like, taught it and all this stuff. Doctor. Doctor Hulan, this Ihali Yakya Hulan is from Hawaii. He’s no longer with us, but he and his business partner were teaching Ho Pono Pono. And it was all about, you take full responsibility and you say you’re sorry, you ask for forgiveness. So it’s, I’m sorry, please forgive me. I love you. Thank you. So it’s like gratitude, love, but it’s also clearing out the garbage. And that’s. And so I’ve been, like, looking at that again and went through, went through my husband’s emails. I’m like, I wonder what he and Doctor Len used to talk about, right? And it’s like he’d like, say something to Doctor Leon and be like, thanks, I’ll be cleaning on that.

He never had anything else to say. Like, oh, Mark would say, oh, I’m sorry that this thing is going on. He’s like, thanks for letting me know, I’ll be cleaning on it. And that’s it. That’s it. It’s all just data that you’re just clearing out. And so taking full responsibility that, you know, whatever shows up in your reality, whether you like it or not, is there as an opportunity for you to clear the data and get back to who you really are? And that’s. There’s my woo for the week.

[00:14:17] Speaker A: Well, I told you the story before we started recording, but I’ll tell it here too, is that my daughter and I have shared dreams in the past. And I don’t mean like, we both had the same aspirations. I mean, we woke up at the same time and had been having the same dream from the same perspective, from our own perspectives. But this week, my mom called me Tuesday morning at 05:00 a.m. woke me out of a sound sleep, scared the bejeebies out of me to tell me that my stepdad had fallen. He’d hit his head, and he was being taken by ambulance to the hospital.

I never. I shouldn’t say never, because that’s an absolute. I so infrequently dream of real people. Like, I have dreams, and I remember my dreams a lot of the time, but in my dream, I know the people I’m with. But in my waking reality, those are not any people I know in my real life. So to dream about somebody that I actually know in real life is very rare for me. But I had been dreaming about him at the time that she called to say he’d fallen and hit his head. So all I could think of was, I must have been dreaming about him when it happened. And somehow the universe was telling me that, you know, something’s not quite right. Well, I waited a couple hours before I texted my brothers and my daughter to say, papa fell. He hit his head. He’s at the hospital just waiting to hear updates from grandma. My daughter texted me back and said I had a dream. I was taking grandma and papa to the doctors. So that was a weird text to wake up to. So the both of us were dreaming about him when we were woken up or woke up and saw the news that he had fallen and hurt himself. That’s so weird.

Luckily, he’s fine. He went home the same day he’s back. I literally was so worried that I was going to have to cancel my trip, too. Europe if something had happened to him, because I missed wordcamp Europe in 2022 because of my dad’s funeral. And so I thought, oh, gosh, please, not my stepdad. The same kind of. Kind of idea. But so far so good. He’s doing okay. But, yeah, that’s. But those kinds of, like, psychic coincidences. I mean, I don’t know how much you believe in coincidence versus things happen the way they’re supposed to. And the jury’s out in my head about how to make sense of it. All right? But I. It’s there, and I believe it. I just don’t know how to necessarily put all the puzzle pieces together.

But also, I was telling you how I have. I mean, clearly, I’ve heard words before, but never put words and pictures together. I never studied birds. You all know I’m a big bird watcher. I love taking pictures of birds. But I will be out in nature. I will see a bird. I will take a picture and know the name of the bird. And I don’t mean, like, Fred. I mean, like, that’s a cedar waxwing. That’s a cormorant.

[00:17:01] Speaker B: Yeah.

[00:17:01] Speaker A: That is a red tail hawk. That is a juvenile bald eagle. Like, how. How. How do I know those things, right? And, yeah, you know, I’m probably pulling up words and things that I’ve heard in the past, but I never had a section of learning bird history or anything in any of my schooling. So to have those kinds of things just fill in, pop right into my head and just be there and know what I’m looking at. And I confirm them, too, just in case you’re all thinking, like, she doesn’t really know what a cormorant looks like. I look up cormorant, I’m like, yep, that’s the bird I took a picture of. And so it’s just like, it’s really wild. It’s fun stuff.

I love it.

[00:17:40] Speaker B: Yeah, well, I mean, you could explain it rationally. You could say that when you were younger, there were lots of birds or somebody else, older person in your family, and you just absorbed that information, and it’s all part of your unconscious because you, you know, there’s, like, millions of bits of data, and when you’re relaxed, you can take in much more. Right, sure. And when you’re under stress, it goes down to, like, you can only handle the one thing, right?

[00:18:12] Speaker A: If that. Yes.

[00:18:13] Speaker B: Yes. And when you’re a kid, it’s like, oh, well, mom and dad, I don’t have to worry about a mortgage, mom. Dad’s got that covered. So, you know, you’re more open to picking up all of that stuff. So you could say that. Or you could just say, you know, you just know that. Or maybe it’s past lives. Maybe it’s like, in a past life, you were like a bird illustrator. That’s why you like to draw. Like, you could rationalize all of this away. But I just like the magic of it.

Like, yeah, opening up to who you really are is magic. There’s a magicalness to who we really are. Because there are things that just, when you let go and you relax into it, there are things that just start happening.

And I was trying to say to, like, I was talking to my therapist about all of the weird stuff that has been happening, and he’s like, he’s like, well, maybe it’s because you’re noticing it. And so now more of it shows up because spirits recognizing or parts of myself are recognizing that I’m seeing things, and so more things start showing up. But then my friend I was talking to last night, he’s like, no, you made a declaration when that storm came through. Because I talked to him right after that, too. And he’s. I made a declaration of, like, whatever the storm is bringing to me, I welcome it. I’m not scared of this. It is not overwhelming to me. I welcome whatever this is. And he’s like, you made that declaration, so, of course weird stuff’s gonna happen now. You just invited it all in. He’s like. So he’s calling me, like, every few days, like, what’s up now?

He’s like, he’s recognized the signs. He’s pretty. He’s pretty intuitive, too. So it’s been, yeah, super interesting. He and I used to sit on the porch in Mount Shasta for hours and just talk about stuff. He’s the guy that used to clean for celebrities down in southern California. Like, he was. I don’t even know the names of all of them. I just remember the story about Ann Bancroft showing up to parties, and she would wear her white gloves and, like, go around looking for dust. And so his cleaning crew, like, it was their job to make sure Anne Bancroft’s coming. You know the rules. We gotcha. Like, and then there was, like, one celebrity he cleaned for, and, like, the. The wife of the celebrity didn’t want to see the cleaning people. So if she was walking through the house, they had to hide, like, oh, my goodness. So he’s got, like, tons of, like, stories, but he was, like, really into fine art and stuff, and so, like, they would have, like, he was the only person that was allowed to, like, touch the artwork. And I’m like, don’t you miss all of that? And he’s like, oh, hell, no.

I don’t want anything to do with those people anymore. And then it’s so funny because he, like, lives with, like, on this property. He’s, like, a caretaker for this property, and it’s, like, huge and beautiful, and. What is he dealing with again?

Yeah, same type of interesting personalities. So. Yeah, so funny.

[00:21:18] Speaker A: That is funny.

[00:21:19] Speaker B: So funny. But, yes, definitely interesting is so funny, too, because, like, when I first met him, I’m like, this guy’s going to be my. One of my best friends. I can tell already. But he was telling me, like, every way the mountain could kill you. And it wasn’t like, it’s a volcano and it’s going to blow up. It was like, all this other stuff. I’m like, I just got here. I don’t need to know from this.

[00:21:43] Speaker A: Landslides and falling trees and stones.

[00:21:46] Speaker B: Exactly.

[00:21:47] Speaker A: Yeah.

[00:21:48] Speaker B: You just had, like, the laundry list of all the way the mountains going to kill us, and it’s just like, yeah, okay. I get us a nice snowing, y’all. But I survived.

[00:21:58] Speaker A: You did?

Absolutely.

Oh, my goodness. That is just.

[00:22:04] Speaker B: I missed that, though. Cause, like, you go to the grocery store in mount. She asked, how’s your day going? I’m like, weird energy today. And they’re like, right. You know, like, part of the talk. But, like, now I’m like, you know, now it’s Texas, and it’s like, how you doing today? Doing just fine, thank you. Bless your heart.

You don’t talk about the energy grocery store here.

[00:22:25] Speaker A: No, not so much. That is funny, though. But, you know, think about it like, so last month we had two eclipses, or a month and a half however long ago it was, right? We had two eclipses. Then we had a solar storm and all of those northern lights that could be seen all over the world.

And then Mercury was in retrograde recently also. I don’t know if it still is. And then last night was supposed to be the night that six of the eight planets aligned to be able to actually see, I think, four of them. You were supposed to be able to see with the naked eye. So if you don’t believe that there’s more going on in the universe than just here on planet Earth.

[00:23:08] Speaker B: Yeah.

[00:23:10] Speaker A: You’re missing out. I’ll just say that for sure.

[00:23:14] Speaker B: Sun, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus, Uranus, all in Taurus right now.

And the moon, because the moon, the new moon, we are. We have a new moon today, and that is conjunct the sun and Venus at the same time, I guess, and so. And that’s all in, in Taurus, I think, too, so.

Yeah. Which is love and beauty and enjoyment. And I get to spend that time with you.

[00:23:42] Speaker A: Yeah. I love it. That’s awesome. It is. There’s so much more than we can possibly ever conceive of happening all the time. And I think about, like, you know, like, looking up and taking it all in and still, like, going back to that. Like, you know, I said zeros and ones as far as binary and things like that, but gravity still works. Like, I haven’t floated off the earth yet. Right. Like, all of those things. And so science is real, and yet there’s so much more that we can’t even explain with science yet. I just think that’s cool.

[00:24:16] Speaker B: I think it’s cool, too. And I’m. I’m here for it. I’m here for the magic and the science. I think they balance each other very well.

[00:24:23] Speaker A: They absolutely do. And you were saying a little bit earlier, too, about how art and the different parts of our brain is art and science, that kind of thing. I have guitars behind me on the wall. Almost every developer that you’ll ever see has some kind of musical instrument in their life, and that’s because music is science as well. And cadence with a c is like, is mathematic. And the way that we put chord progressions together and how musical notes align with one another to create harmony or cacophony, all of that is also science and math. And so there is absolutely a blending of all of the things of art and science together.

There’s the golden ratio. If you look at the way that flowers are built and the Fibonacci sequence and all of those things, that is science in nature. It’s just amazing.

[00:25:23] Speaker B: Well, the scientists and the very creative people who notice things like this and find patterns because that’s all it is, really, is just pattern. Like musical chords. It’s all just patterns.

[00:25:38] Speaker A: Yeah.

[00:25:39] Speaker B: So those creative observing people who see patterns or numbers everywhere or whatever it is, they’re just observing the magic of nature. So it just, it’s all in balance.

It’s magical, it’s scientific.

And, and I think, I really do think true innovation has to come from the balance and the blending of both.

[00:26:06] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree. Absolutely.

Wow. That’s, if you’re still with us, that’s pretty deep stuff. And you’re welcome, because hopefully we made you think about some things that maybe you hadn’t thought about in a while. My cat is going to drive me crazy lately. She’s trying to get in the, in the microphone. Sorry about that. Um, but she agrees. She does.

[00:26:27] Speaker B: She just wants to, she’s all in on it. I observe patterns. You put up that bird feeder, and now I got birds to look at.

[00:26:35] Speaker A: They jump up and scare them away all the time.

[00:26:38] Speaker B: But I wish they’d scare the squirrel.

[00:26:40] Speaker A: They could care less that there’s a squirrel, really, which is literally in the house, right? Because the bird feeder, like, goes into the house. So, like, literally on the inside of the, the wall of the, I mean, it’s still outside, but, and they are, they just like, oh, look at, there’s, there’s a rodent that we’re not going to chase after, but, oh, a little bird. I’m going to get up there and look at the bird.

[00:27:00] Speaker B: Kill it.

[00:27:02] Speaker A: Science man. I don’t know.

[00:27:05] Speaker B: Anyway, as long as we don’t have to pay, play the rules of cat science, I think we’ll be fine. We’ll be okay.

[00:27:10] Speaker A: For sure.

We will not be. We will not have an episode next week because I will be in work camp Europe. I know. I’m sorry. It’s just such a time difference from there to there, and I don’t think we’ll be able to have an opportunity to record. So we will put out an episode. We’ll pick one of our favorite episodes, and we’ll put it out there, in case you haven’t heard it before, maybe one of the early ones, and we’ll put that out there. But we will be back the following week, and hopefully I’ll have lots of fun things to share with you about my trip.

Grazie.

[00:27:49] Speaker B: Vay al torino. Mangia. Unpo di gelato. Perme.

Manji. I used the wrong.

It’s been a while.

[00:28:01] Speaker A: Grazie was the only word I knew, so ciao.

[00:28:04] Speaker B: At least you’re not saying grazie like most Americans are. Like, grazie.

[00:28:09] Speaker A: Yeah, no, I looked it up. I wanted to make sure I learned it right.

[00:28:12] Speaker B: Oh, you’re gonna have so much fun. You’re gonna eat the best food in the world. And you must have gelato every day because the gelato there is just, like, out of the storm.

[00:28:19] Speaker A: Amazing. I will. I loved the greek food last year. I’m very much looking forward to the italian food this year. I mean, I have a foodie. Like, I didn’t get this ass by not eating food. So I go to Thailand, I eat the thai food. I went to Taiwan. I ate the taiwanese food. I love food. So I’m very much looking forward to.

[00:28:39] Speaker B: Exploring next level in Italy. Next level. Just.

[00:28:43] Speaker A: But don’t order a latte because latte just means milk, and that’s all you’ll get.

[00:28:48] Speaker B: Oh, latte. Yes. Cafe latte. That’s only in the morning. You don’t drink, like, lattes and cappuccinos after dinner and.

[00:28:57] Speaker A: Yeah, it’s a different world.

[00:28:59] Speaker B: Most people just drink their coffee standing up at coffee bars. Yeah, it’s gonna be.

[00:29:05] Speaker A: It’ll be fun.

[00:29:07] Speaker B: Yeah.

[00:29:08] Speaker A: It’ll be my first time to Italy.

[00:29:09] Speaker B: Now I’m jealous. I was supposed to go to this one, but it’s not going to happen this year.

[00:29:15] Speaker A: Maybe next year.

[00:29:16] Speaker B: I guess I’ll just have to go some other time.

[00:29:17] Speaker A: Just see where it is next year, and we’ll make a trip anyway.

[00:29:21] Speaker B: Yeah.

[00:29:22] Speaker A: So. All right, everybody, we will see you in two weeks. Love to you all, and ciao. Ciao bella.

[00:29:30] Speaker B: Ciao bella.

[00:29:31] Speaker A: Bye.

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