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Kathy and Michelle have a sneaking suspicion that eventually, we all end up going for freedom… and that freedom starts with WordPress.

“Guilty pleasures” are often acts of self-care for our own mental health. And they can look different to different people.

In this week’s episode, we talk about dealing with other people’s judgements and why diversity is important to our global WordPress community.

Michelle recently launched WPSpeakers.com, and Kathy has been playing with generative AI tools. Between us, we’ve been learning a lot.

In this episode, Michelle and Kathy explore some of those disempowering structures and methods of breaking free to discover who we really are and know our worth.

In this lively episode, Michelle and Kathy share some of the creature comforts that make life easier, happier, and sometimes just a lot more fun.

In this episode Kathy and Michelle talk about how powerful helping others can be, not only for the people we help, but for ourselves as that good karma comes back to us magnified.

In this episode we talk about the importance of community and welcoming everyone as a part of the WordPress mission of giving everyone a voice.

In this episode, Kathy and Michelle are together at WordCamp Phoenix where they were both speakers and representing Kadence as sponsors.

This episode is worth a watch as well as a listen as Kathy and Michelle don their tiaras and talk about some of the recent accomplishments they’ve had.