With WordCamp US 2023 coming up in less than 2 weeks, Kathy and Michelle are getting ready to see some of the rock stars they respect so much in the WordPress space. While there are many people who make WordPress special, there are a few people whose contributions and rising stars really excite us. Did we drop your name in this episode? You’ll need to listen to find out! Kathy and Michelle also talk a little bit about regional accents, traveling, and bringing our kids (both young and grown up) to WordCamps to connect with community.
Speaker 0 00:00:00 Start your week smiling with your friends, Kathy Zant and Michelle Frechette. It’s time to get ready for some weekly motivation with WP Motivate.
Speaker 2 00:00:12 Happy Thursday, Kathy.
Speaker 1 00:00:16 Happy Thursday. It’s a hundred degrees.
Speaker 2 00:00:18 Oh my goodness. I don’t know what it is here. It’s been raining today. Let, let
Speaker 1 00:00:22 Me check,
Speaker 2 00:00:23 Let me check the, uh, the phone. What? It never recognizes my face when I really want it to. It’s 78 here and it’s raining.
Speaker 1 00:00:31 That
Speaker 2 00:00:31 Sounds gorgeous. It’s been raining all week. It’s been raining for like two weeks. The corn here is so high because we’ve had so much rain this year. Yeah. And it’s delicious too. I have to say. The corn on the cob has been amazing. Amazing. Yeah, so, so good.
Speaker 1 00:00:48 Texas and August together are just kind of like a shit sandwich . There’s nothing good about it. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 00:00:58 At
Speaker 1 00:00:58 All.
Speaker 2 00:01:00 It’s a, is it between two cow patties with a nice layer of shit in between ?
Speaker 1 00:01:05 Exactly. Yeah. What’s
Speaker 2 00:01:07 The
Speaker 1 00:01:08 Sandwich? I’m Texan has a cow
Speaker 2 00:01:09 Patties
Speaker 1 00:01:10 . Maybe if I say it in a Texan accent, it’s like two cow patties. . I don’t even sound Texan. It’s like, what’s the Chicago girl trying to do? Shut up. You don’t even sound Texan. I
Speaker 2 00:01:23 Don’t even know what a Texas accent is. Quite honestly. ,
Speaker 1 00:01:28 I’m no good at it. I, I’m at, speak to Wisconsin there somehow and ruin it all.
Speaker 2 00:01:34 My daughter always used to say, mom, just don’t try to do the accents. Just, just don’t try to do the accents. .
Speaker 1 00:01:39 Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:01:40 Apparently I’ve good at a lot of things in my life, but accents is not one of them. .
Speaker 1 00:01:44 So yeah. I get like weird when I’ll like start talking to someone like esp. If I talk to somebody from like New York, like Long Island for too long, then I’ll say something like, oh, well I’m gonna go get some water. And like, it’ll slip up. Like where? Get down. Like where’d that water come from? Some water. Like, I’ll pick up. I’ll just pick it up. It’s, I Do you,
Speaker 2 00:02:02 Do you want some coffee with that water
Speaker 1 00:02:04 ? Yeah. Well, first I gotta talk to my daughter about the coffee with my water that’ll slip out and
Speaker 2 00:02:11 We can go to Boston and park the car
Speaker 1 00:02:15 And watch the horn like at 50 or like 50,000 times before we practic the car.
Speaker 2 00:02:20 Well, I hear that I have a Rochester accent. People tell me I have a Rochester accent and I guess that that means I don’t hear, but I guess that means we have a broad A So I like, I, I guess other people say, I don’t know how they say it. Rochester. We say like Rochester. So like
Speaker 1 00:02:36 Rochester. Yeah,
Speaker 2 00:02:37 Rochester. That’s a, I guess that’s our accent.
Speaker 1 00:02:40 Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:02:41 I don’t hear it. I think I sound like every, um, every newscaster ever. But I guess not . That’s the beauty of newscasters. We all think we sound just like them. Like they have that like middle of the everything accent that everybody identifies with. It’s like, I want that accent. I need that accent. I know how to get, that’s the accent I want.
Speaker 1 00:03:01 Yeah. Yeah. It’s so funny ’cause my kids mostly grew up in Northern California, so they don’t believe that they have accents at all. Like they see my Chicago accents accent will slip out on and off. Mm-hmm. . But they don’t think they have any California accent all accent at all.
Speaker 2 00:03:17 That’s so funny
Speaker 1 00:03:18 Out that they’re perfect. And I’m like, okay, what’s the store? Costco like? Californians. They don’t say thet like Sacramento. They don’t say that. They say Sacramento. They just, they lose their teas. I finally figured out my kids do have an accent because they drop their tees. Santa Monica. They don’t say Santa Monica. They say Santa Monica. They drop tees. That’s a California accent.
Speaker 2 00:03:43 That’s also a western New York thing. Because here people don’t wear mittens. They wear mittens. Like they literally mittens. They have a, they have a glottal stop and, and like what do, what are baby cats? They are kittens. There’s a glottal stop whenever there’s teas in the middle of a word. And I live in Hilton and I always say the T, but if you’re born and raised here, you say Hilton, you swallow that tea, the glottal stop all the time. And I have a friend who says they think it’s because that in this area was settled a lot by um, people from Scotland. And Scotland dropped their Rs and you know, Scottish, that kind of thing. Aka aka yeah. . So like, I dunno, all I know is I told, I used to tell my daughter there are two T’s in the word kitten. If you forget the first one. Say the second one please. That is
Speaker 1 00:04:31 So funny.
Speaker 2 00:04:33 Oh mom . That
Speaker 1 00:04:36 Is so funny. Can
Speaker 2 00:04:37 I tell you some excited things that have been going on? So yeah. I have had such a great opportunity recently to speak with some amazing people in the WordPress community. And I have to tell you like, so I’m gonna pat myself on the back a little bit. ’cause I built the perfect tool for this. I wanted a speaker for my meetup for this week. And I was like, who could I get to be a speaker of my meetup? And so I went to wp speakers.com and yes, I found Femi Lewis who I knew, but I had like didn’t think, oh, I should ask Femi, right? But she’s in my speaker database, so she’s somebody I could ask. And she gave a great presentation to WordPress Rochesters Meetup this past Monday. And I was like, amazing people engaged with her. I actually reached out to her through my website and said, um, Hey, could you give the talk that you gave at Word Camp Montclair again, but to the Rochester meetup? And she’s like, absolutely. And she did. And it was so cool. And I was like, Sammy, you’re a rockstar.
Speaker 1 00:05:40 That is so awesome.
Speaker 2 00:05:41 And she’s speaking at Word camp us.
Speaker 1 00:05:42 Really? That’s so cool.
Speaker 2 00:05:44 Yeah. That
Speaker 1 00:05:45 Is so cool. You had, Hey, I noticed that the speaker lineup is a little, little diverse.
Speaker 2 00:05:51 Ooh. Who would’ve thought ? I love it.
Speaker 1 00:05:54 I didn’t think it was possible for a major word camp to actually actually like be able to do that. I mean, , that was snark.
Speaker 2 00:06:01 I mean like Asia did it. Yeah. The US can do it. I’m looking at you Europe just saying, I applied to be on your team to help with that next year. Knock, knock, knock. I’m on the other side of the door. Um, I’m hoping that, I’m hoping that I can help with a more diverse lineup. I also think it’s not a bad thing. If you go to wp speakers.com and you sign up as a speaker, there’s a box that you can check. Just yes or no. Are you an underrepresented person? I don’t ask you what your underrepresented status says. I don’t ask you if you’re gay, if you have a, like a wooden leg, like anything like that. Right. Like any of those things to use a scooter. Like I do like any of those things. But we could put boxes on the speaker applications that just says, are you an underrepresented speaker? And then we have statistics to say, yeah, you can’t always see representation, which I agree with. Right? I talk about that all the time.
Speaker 1 00:06:52 Right.
Speaker 2 00:06:52 Sitting on a screen like this, you wouldn’t know that I don’t walk well ’cause I’m just sitting on a screen. But if you don’t have statistics, then you have no fodder to say, actually we have 45%, you know, underrepresented or something like that. So then we can only go by what we see and what we expect. So yeah. So I think there’s ways to do that. And you’re right, we’re ki you guys, I was like, I’m on the team, right. I’m not on the speaker team. So I didn’t know what the speaker lineup was until I saw it with everybody else. And I have to tell you, I cried. Thank you. I had goosebumps and I cried. I was so excited. I like, I’m, I was sending, sending everybody that I know, like even to my daughter, I’m like, oh my God, it’s so awesome.
Speaker 1 00:07:33 .
Speaker 2 00:07:34 Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:07:35 That’s great. That’s great. Yeah, it was good to see. It was really good to see. And yeah. Uh, I think it’s gonna be a great word Camp. Uh, good flagship event. Are you excited? Yes.
Speaker 2 00:07:47 I’m very excited and stellar WP where we both work as one of the sponsors of the Pride Party. So, you know, putting our money where our mouth is kind of thing and standing up for diversity and standing up for people. And I’m excited about that too. Yeah. And I bought an outfit. I bought a very colorful outfit. Did you? Hasn’t come yet. Well, the headpiece is supposed to arrive today. Yes. I said headpiece . It’s gonna be fun. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 00:08:13 Yeah. Wow. Wow. I, yeah, I’m excited. I’m super excited. It’s gonna be, and and the after party, the official party is at the Smithsonian. Like who? I know that’s gonna be so cool. So cool. I haven’t been there in like 20 years. I’m just super excited
Speaker 2 00:08:32 And because it’s it’s a government building right? The Smithsonian. I should be able to get anywhere I need to on my wheels. Oh, so it’ll be fully accessible. Yeah. And I’m on the accessibility team for Word Camp Us and I have to say the diligence in accessibility for this event has been so, so good. Um, Alex Stein is also on the disability or the accessibility team, and he’s a blind man, so he’s been checking everything from that standpoint. Nice. I’ve been checking everything from my standpoint. I’ve been making sure that people have, um, access to the menus. We’ve published the menus because we wanna make sure that if people have, you don’t even have to be an allergy. There are people who have, uh, processing issues with textures Yeah. And things like that. And so they can see that they’re not demanding that we have special food for them, but they’re somebody that reached out to me and said, I just wanna see the menu so that I know if I have to get food for myself. Yeah. ’cause they know that, that they could make, we, we all can’t say I need a special diet and they’re not asking for special. They just wanna know. And so we were able to publish things like that. So That’s exciting.
Speaker 1 00:09:34 Yeah, that’s really great. For sure. Yeah. I mean, I think a lot of times it’s just, it’s communication. It’s like mm-hmm. really just being very open and honest and let, letting people know like, here’s what we’re doing and why and how and Yeah. And being open for feedback. Mm-hmm. . Because I think everybody who has an accessibility challenge, it’s, you don’t expect perfection, but you just expect like an open line of communication. Yeah. Like, Hey, I’m having an issue here. Thank you for letting us know we wanna solve that right now. Yeah. And because it’s, it’s so hard to put yourself into the shoes of another person. There’s like a number of different kinds of accessibility issues. So I, I don’t think it’s like an expectation of perfection, but just hearing the fact that there is an accessibility team and there’s so much diligence in trying That’s so cool.
Speaker 2 00:10:30 Oh, we have thunder. So you may hear it come through .
Speaker 1 00:10:33 Oh no, I didn’t hear it.
Speaker 2 00:10:35 I, well, I muted myself cold though. At first I thought that there was a hurricane, like a earthquake or something. And then I realized that it’s thunder ’cause it’s raining. Um, they’ve been mowing too. So I was like, what’s going on? But yes, though I think it’s accessibility is huge. And here’s the thing too. You can make mistakes by trying to do the right thing with accessibility. Sure. And you can completely do the wrong thing. So, and that, I shouldn’t say this is the wrong thing, but somebody asked where they’re having like table set up for different, um, like contributor day and things like that. They wanna make sure that there’s a wide berth so that people like me on a, on a mobility device can get through and not have to figure out how to get to where they wanna sit. So they’re making sure the tables are spaced far enough apart that anybody in a wheelchair or walker, whatever could get through.
Speaker 2 00:11:16 But then they asked me, should they have tables with like where there’s chairs removed so somebody could pull up in their wheelchair. How do they do that? And I said, honestly, as somebody with a mobility device, I would rather have either move a chair myself or ask somebody to move a chair Yeah. Than be told where to sit. And they’re like, oh, that makes sense. Right? Yeah. But they were trying to do the right thing by making space for wheelchairs. But honestly, unless it’s a booth where the, where the chair’s not movable. I would rather go, well, I’d rather sit over there. You know, kind of thing. So. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:11:50 Yeah. Nice.
Speaker 2 00:11:51 And there, there, there have been in my past, and I won’t say where and who, but where people were trying to be so nice and, and told me where I needed to go eat lunch. ’cause it was, there was a place for me and I was just like, oh, great. So I don’t get to eat with my friends, but I didn’t wanna not do what they asked because they’d gone to all the trouble. And I don’t wanna do that to people at work camp us. So Yeah. So just make sure that there’s movable chairs and plenty of space for people to get to and it’ll be good.
Speaker 1 00:12:17 Yeah. Nice. It’ll be good. Very cool. It’s like, what, two weeks away? Is it two weeks or three
Speaker 2 00:12:22 Weeks? I know it’s, um, it’s two weeks. Two. Well, yeah. And it’s less than that if you’re going to the community summit, which I am. So I go out on the 21st in 11 days drive down. Wow. And then I have Community Summit for two days and then Word Camp for three days and then home again.
Speaker 1 00:12:38 Wow. Yeah. This is my last big trip I think of the year is like, I’ve done a few over the last few weeks and my daughter did not get to go with her band in junior high school to Washington DC mm-hmm. . So she’s coming along, she’s like, nice Washington. I didn’t get to go because of Covid. I wanna go. And I’m like, well, I
Speaker 2 00:13:00 Get to be clear. That’s what I just heard. I get to meet Claire.
Speaker 1 00:13:02 Yes. You get to be Claire and if you mistake her for Taylor Swift, she won’t be hurt
Speaker 2 00:13:10 Will she be like, who, who the heck is this purple haired woman hugging me mom? Because I’m gonna about a hugger. Like, is she a hugger? I hope she’s a hugger.
Speaker 1 00:13:18 . She’s a hugger. She is. She, uh, it’s her first day of school today and she’s like, I was up until one, because I knew it because it was eight, nine, that, uh, there was all of these things that triangulated into secret code that Taylor Swift was going to announce Taylor’s version of 1989 last night. And so she stayed up till one o’clock watching on TikTok. Did I Anything happened? Everybody, yeah. She announced last night. Okay. That Claire had to be there for that. She’s been waiting for like a week and like trying to figure out, ’cause Taylor has like all these secret codes of like mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 00:13:53 I’ve heard. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:13:54 Yeah. So I haven’t paid much attention to Taylor Swift until Claire got really into it. But now that she’s dragging me into it, it’s like, okay, I am, I’m here for it. And all the stories and the music and yeah. So Taylor Swift is like the soundtrack of my life right now. I took her to Nashville and you know Broadway. Yeah. Where they have all the bars and the crazy live music and everything. Uhhuh . We’ve got Taylor Swift up loud as it can be driving down. I’m like, just turn it off for a minute. No. And I’m like, rolled down the windows. No, you’re embarrassing me. And I’m like, child, this is like live music Central. This is where like Taylor got started. Yeah. Okay. Oh wow. This is neat. So she finally like,
Speaker 2 00:14:38 I love it.
Speaker 1 00:14:39 Yeah. So I love, yeah. She’s excited about going to Washington. She’s less excited about the word press. She’s like, you know, she’s been around Word, she went Word Camp, uh, Phoenix. She like volunteered and helped out there, you know, as one of the kid volunteers. And so she’s been around Word camps and been around WordPress people and, uh, she’s all cool with it, but not like super into, I’ve tried to get her publishing like we’ve tried with the blog and everything. Yeah. Then she tried an e-commerce site, but the customizer gets her every single time. ’cause she goes into the customizer and then thinks that she can edit pages there and it’s just
Speaker 2 00:15:16 Like, oh yeah, no honey, it doesn’t work that way. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:15:19 , well,
Speaker 2 00:15:20 My daughter’s also coming to WordCamp us. Oh,
Speaker 1 00:15:23 Cool.
Speaker 2 00:15:23 She wants the swag in the parties, so she will probably not be doing a lot of the sessions. Uh, so if Clarity had somebody to hang out with , she could probably hang out with Lydia. But, um, Lydia does have a WordPress website now built on Cadence and hosted on Nexus. You know, it’s, uh, lid Vicious l y d vicious.com. It’s her new DJ business and I built it for her. And you know what, she didn’t go like, oh mom, no, that’s not what, it doesn’t look right. She was like, oh my God, I love this. And I was like, oh, the Angels sing .
Speaker 1 00:15:55 That is awesome. I love to hear it. That is so cool.
Speaker 2 00:15:59 Yeah. So, so freaking, uh,
Speaker 1 00:16:00 I’m glad I get to meet Lydia, so that’s exciting.
Speaker 2 00:16:03 I know. I’m excited for you to meet her too. So it’ll be, it’ll be fun. It’ll be cool. She gets to meet some more of my WordPress buddies and people and it’s, it’s exciting. She gets to meet a bunch of people over in Athens too, so. Cool. Very cool. Yeah. All
Speaker 1 00:16:20 Of the WordPress rock stars that are going to be Yeah. So many of them. So
Speaker 2 00:16:25 I love, I love WordPress rock stars and I love everybody, don’t get me wrong, but it’s fun to jive with people who just get it and get you and are doing such amazing things in the community. And it just, yeah. Yeah. It’s pretty cool stuff. Who’s your, who’s your, who are some WordPress rock stars you’re looking forward to seeing soon?
Speaker 1 00:16:49 Oh boy. Um, there’s a bunch of people that I’ve kind of been like talking to mm-hmm. , there’s like all kinds of, um, there’s been all kinds of discussion like WordPress security, I have my security people like the pro security community. I know it’s very niche.
Speaker 2 00:17:06 There’s people, it’s, I mean, I just heard Nerd Herd, but whatever.
Speaker 1 00:17:11 We’ll be a nerd herd, but Okay. We all are sure. Some people wanna buy me a drink, so I am open a letter to that, so. Yep. Um, yeah, like, so there’s, um, a, a guy, Calvin Elkin, who’s like super brilliant, kind of a young mind in the word press security space. And he’s really, he’s coming over from Europe, so I really wanna meet him. Um, I think Thomas Raffe is gonna be there. And Patrick Gallagher from Grid Payne, so I wanna meet them. Mm-hmm. , um, Maestro I think is gonna be there. My buddy from he’s
Speaker 2 00:17:45 Speaking.
Speaker 1 00:17:46 Oh, that’s right. He’s on that panel, isn’t he? Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 00:17:49 . Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:17:50 He’s on the panel. Yeah. Yeah. So I get to spend more time with him. We had a great time and had really lo I think I spent like three or four hours just hanging out with Maestro talking about everything from WordPress to life. See, there’s
Speaker 2 00:18:02 What an amazing person he is.
Speaker 1 00:18:04 He’s really smart. And he’s, he’s so supportive of other people. Mm-hmm. He’s, he’s one to watch for. He’s the rock, absolute star that’s really up and coming. Mm-hmm. , um, has just such a great mindset. The thing is with WordPress, it’s like we share the common vernacular. We un like we, there’s like a shorthand. We don’t have to s explain, right? Yeah, yeah. Like, I don’t have to explain a post versus a page. I don’t have to explain, you know, oh, remember when this happened with Nevada or whatever, like mm-hmm. , you don’t, you don’t have to explain any, right. Um, anything. It’s like you, you have so many shared touchpoint and you add onto that sort of like this mindset of service to other people. It’s amazing. Mm-hmm. . So he’s one of the, one of my favorite rock stars. And of course he’s in the cadence community too. And so there’s a few cadence people too that I wanna watch how about, or that I wanna meet and see mm-hmm. , see in real life. How about you? Do you have people that you’re looking forward to seeing?
Speaker 2 00:19:09 Absolutely. So one of my WordPress best friends, like to the core, the person that texts me all day every day. And, and his wife knows I’m his work wife by the way. She texts me all day, every day too, is his, um, Mark West Guard from Ws Forum and Casey, her, his wife is coming too. So we’re all doing dinner. Oh, cool. One of the nights. So I’m super excited and I’m actually spending my birthday down in Georgia with them. They invited me to come down for a long weekend, so I’m gonna be going down in October and spending time with ’em and finally meeting their boys, their two boys who I’m excited to meet. So Nice. Sometimes their boys send me videos saying, Michelle, when are you coming down? And it just makes me happy. So look, definitely looking forward to seeing Mark and Casey, um, Marcus, uh, Burnett from Yes.
Speaker 2 00:19:49 Uh, GoDaddy Pro. He is one of the nicest people I know. I swear. And I always have a lovely time talking with him. Um, very much looking forward to seeing him again. Um, seen him a lot this year, which is super cool. We’ve been at like all of the same word camps and it’s really nice Yeah. To kind of hang out and spend time, um, chatting with him. He’s pretty awesome. And then, um, oh, who was the other per Oh, Isha. Isha Agreed. Was gonna be there and she’s gonna be at the community summit also, and I love her. Can I tell you the funniest thing? So when I met her at Work Camp US last year, she fangirled over me, which made me laugh so much. ’cause like I was fangirling over her right back. And now she’s gonna be the keynote speaker for Work Camp Rochester this fall and September 30th. Oh, that’s so cool. Yeah. Can’t wait to hug her again. So really excited to see her. But yeah, there’s, oh my gosh, there’s a, this as long as my arm, well actually there’s a list as long as the word K attendee list, um, of people look forward to seeing. But you know,
Speaker 1 00:20:43 I’m only on the, I just loaded up the page and I’m just on the A’s and I’m, I, there’s all all like 10 people, 20 people already. Anna Gar from, uh, it’s
Speaker 2 00:20:54 Oh
Speaker 1 00:20:54 Yeah. S Angela Gin, Angela Bowman, um, Joseph
Speaker 2 00:20:58 Josephs. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 00:20:59 , JOA. There’s so many
Speaker 2 00:21:01 People that’s,
Speaker 1 00:21:03 Remember the thing is like
Speaker 2 00:21:05 When, when we were kids growing up, we would get the Sears catalog right before Christmas, the wish book. Yeah. And you’d go through with a marker and circle the things you wanted. Like, that’s the word camp attendee list is I just go through and mentally circle all the people that I wanna spend time with. They’re my Sears wishlist. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:21:20 Pretty much the thing is, is like, there’s no way I am gonna have like any more than a, a hug. And how are you kind of conversation with this many people? That’s what the hard part is, is like, I know it’s just gonna be impossible,
Speaker 2 00:21:35 But you’re gonna get a major hug from me, so be prepared.
Speaker 1 00:21:39 Awesome. Yeah. After, after the past couple of weeks, I could use one .
Speaker 2 00:21:44 Well, you’re the number one rockstar in my heart, Kathy. So
Speaker 1 00:21:48 Same. That’s why we’re here. That’s why we’re here. Let’s do something. Hey, I’m here, .
Speaker 2 00:21:53 I I know. I was like, . That was, if you don’t remember folks, if you’re still listening, . I love what I say that like, if we haven’t lost you yet, uh, our first episode, I texted ca or texted I d I DMed you on Slack at like nine o’clock in the morning on a Friday. I’m like, Hey, I wanna do a project with you wanna do a project with me? And you’re like, yep, I’m in. What are we doing? I’m like, wanna do a podcast? You’re like, yeah, let’s do podcast. Whatcha gonna do podcast about? I’m like, I don’t know. You wanna do motivational podcast and just kind of talk about fun stuff? You’re like, yep. Okay. You wanna record it this afternoon? Sure. Wanna publish it over the weekend? Yeah, we built a web, like we recorded it on Friday, built the website over the weekend, published our first episode on Monday. So, uh, we use Cadence ’cause you can do things that fast , this is not a book
Speaker 1 00:22:34 Exactly.
Speaker 2 00:22:35 Not a Cadence commercial. They’re not sponsoring us. We just really like sponsored
Speaker 1 00:22:38 By Cadence. Hey, I’m director of marketing for Cadence, so I can say that Sponsored by Cadence . Literally, here I am. .
Speaker 2 00:22:47 Exactly. Exactly. So yeah, so we, you know, I we’re kind of rock stars getting stuff done too, I guess, you know, I mean, I don’t like to put those titles on myself, but hey, if other people are gonna apply it, I’m not gonna like brush it off. .
Speaker 1 00:23:00 Yeah. .
Speaker 2 00:23:03 But yeah, so I am excited. And next we will, we meet next week and then if you’re gonna be at Work us, we can do our live episode like we did in Phoenix.
Speaker 1 00:23:12 I will bring better gear. We will be ready for this. So it’ll be so much
Speaker 2 00:23:16 Time. Yes. We’ll I’m very excited about it, so. Very cool. All right, well we better wrap it up for now. Save something for next week and, uh, . Yeah. I love you, Kathy. Thank you for being my partner. Love you too too. And all things motivational , it’ll awesome. See everybody next week. Bye.
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